This is the first part of an I-don't-know-how-many part series.
Note: Part 2 is here.
Last week, Alan Kurschner of the Calvinist Gadfly posted this article titled "Removing the Doctrine of Election is Cause for Boasting in Ourselves." It was a brief excerpt from a linked article by John Hendryx from www.reformationtheology.com. The second post was from a person with the screen name "exist~dissolve." I linked to his blog site in a post below, and it is on my list of links. This is important to note: when someone disagrees with Calvinism on the Gadfly, it is not mere discussion and dialogue, it is war! The Reformed crew jumped on exist and his ally of sorts, deviant monk, like flies on feces...But exist and deviant monk held their own and responded to pretty much every objection thrown at them by the Reformed folk. I even put my two cents in at times, but exist and deviant monk quickly responded to me too.
The Reformed constantly asked exist and deviant to openly state their position, and they did, albeit in a philosophical vernacular that is above the average layperson's head. In fact, their—particlarly exist's—loquacious (a big, ironic word for wordy) language is intimidating for those unfamiliar with the terms, which I think is intentional for three purposes: (1) to boost the perception of their intelligence resulting in the (2) intimidation of their audience and (3) to obscure their position behind a seemingly impenetrable wall of words. The previous statement is not meant as a jab to exist's and deviant's intelligence. Both have brilliant minds, but everyone likes to look smarter than they are, and superfluous ;-) wordiness does the trick.
From the post and from some personal correspondence with exist, I was finally able to understand their objections to Calvinism and the Reformed worldview, which I will summarize below:
Epistemology - They object to the Reformed presupposition of Sola Scriptura. First, they dismiss the notion of inerrancy and find it completely unnecessary. Second, they redefine inspiration to something drastically different than the Reformed understanding of the Spirit's Inspiration of Scripture. Third, a redefinition of the concept of authority. They do not hold the Bible to be revelation, and a recurring theme in their writings and correspondence is that the only true revelation of God in the Person and Work of Christ. Another recurring theme: the limitations of human language—particularly propositional language—to describe and communicate literal truth concerning the divine nature. In fact, exist denies that "Sola Scriptura" is a Reformed presupposition, much less the base presupposition of Calvinism. He thinks that our "cosmology" is our foremost presupposition.
"Materialist Conception of God's Relationship to Creation" - In exist's opinion, Reformed theology leads to a defining of God's nature and actions on the basis of the creation itself. In other words, we in the Reformed tradition make the mistake of defining God and his nature by things other than God. This includes everything "other" than God: phenomenology (observing physical phenomenon to define God) and particularly propositional language (the infinite divine nature cannot be expressed in human terms). If that which is other than God has the capacity to define and truly describe God's eternal nature, then that which is other than God is, in fact, God. Therefore, since the Reformed folk define God's nature using human propositional language, which is something other than God, then that human language and thought is itself consubstantial with God—thus exist accuses Reformed theology of a pantheism (the belief that God is all) of sorts.
God's Relationship to Evil - Though exist may encapsulate this objection in heavy words, he shares this objection with many non-Reformed. Logically, the Reformed presentation makes God responsible for evil. Often times, Reformed theologians make a distinction between the words responsible and culpable. The former refers to the proposition that God is the ultimate cause for all that happens, including that which is evil; the latter refers to the proposition that responsibility does not necessitate guilt on the part of God. It is still man by his own will who commits the acts of evil, not God, although God ordained for it to happen. Exist does not buy that distinction, and he does "not see...the ability inherent to [the Reformed] philosophical methodology to accurately maintain fidelity both [God's] decrees (which are eternal, efficacious, and exhaustive) with the denial of God's culpability for the origin of sin..." This is not a
new charge per se, but it is the most sophisticated version of this charge I've seen in a while.
Unconditional Election - This objection is relative to the above objection. Here are exist's words from his first post at the Gadfly.
It is curious that you believe the claim that a denial of the concept of “unconditional election” is somehow tantamount to an equal affirmation that one "adds” something to their salvation. I see no reason that would make this statement either self-evident or logically necessary. The positing of the role of the human will in salvation is not indicative of a theology that suggests that humans must “add” something to salvation.Moreover, I would suggest that the very doctrine of “unconditional election,” which is built upon the necessary corolary doctrines of absolute predestinationism, is itself a denial of salvation. After all, if God has eternally determined those whom God will save, from what are we being saved? If we are honest in light of predestinationism, the only answer is that we are being saved from the God that has created the necessary conditions by which we required salvation in the first place. If God wouldn’t have eternally determined to cause our fall, there would be no need to save us. The fact that we must be saved, in light of predestinationism, reveals that 1.) God is either inept from keeping those whom God has eternally “elected” for salvation from sinning and even falling under God’s condemnation or 2.) God is truly neurotic in choosing to predestine those whom God has chosen to save to first become that which God despises, merely so that God can then save them… Of course, as their fall and sinfulness is predestined by God from all of eternity, we cannot literally say that God despises sinfulness and rebellion, for who despises that which one freely chooses?
This comment is what caused the storm of objections from the Calvinist militants. Exist's mistake? Not expressing his presuppositions and views. No one had any idea how to answer him in a way that addresses his ultimate objections, particularly because exist did not state them.
There were several other objections, but that is all that I will have time for this week. Over the next few days / weeks, I will attempt to answer the objections set forth above by exist and deviant monk.
This must be said: From reading his blog, corresponding with him in email, and even his name, "exist~dissolve", it is apparent that he is primarily an existentialist with influences of the likes of Soren Kierkegaard and perhaps Emil Brunner (whose writings posses similar views concerning human language).
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"it is apparent that he is primarily an existentialist with influences of the likes of Soren Kierkegaard and perhaps Emil Brunner (whose writings posses similar views concerning human language)."
With a few dashes of neo-orthodoxy and some Barth (as he stated on Gadfly) sprinkled in. Godspeed Brent, lets hope this thread is more productive than the last.
brent--
First of all, let me begin by extending my thanks to you for the links to my site which you have provided and, more importantly, for your critical and honest engagment of my thought. You have been extremely kind (and believe me, I have plenty of BAD examples of against which to judge yours!) in your treatment of my ideas and of your interaction in general.
Overall, I think you have provided a fair and thorough summary of our discussions, both public and private.
There are only a few points on which I would like to provide some clarification, and I will treat them in the order their appeared in your synopsis:
(1) The Reformed constantly asked exist and deviant to openly state their position, and they did, albeit in a philosophical vernacular that is above the average layperson's head. In fact, their—particlarly exist's—loquacious (a big, ironic word for wordy) language is intimidating for those unfamiliar with the terms, which I think is intentional for three purposes: (1) to boost the perception of their intelligence resulting in the (2) intimidation of their audience and (3) to obscure their position behind a seemingly impenetrable wall of words.
I know it seems a bit disingenuous for me to respond with a "nuh-huh!" to this comment, but I must object. My motivations behind the language which I choose is not, at least consciously, motivated by a desire to intimidate, impress, or obscure. Rather, I utilize the language that I do in an attempt at precision. I know, I know, such a claim seems somewhat suspect in light of my strong statements about the inabilities of human language. Nonetheless, I have found that the more precise I can be in the language that I use in the medium of human-to-human communication, the better chance I have at not being misunderstood.
(As an example, continue reading in my comments about the term "revelation.")
Of course, I understand that the layperson will not understand the vast majority of what I am saying, and perhaps that is a necessary casualty. After all, in the contexts that I am writing, the vast majority of my fellow dialogue partners are NOT lay persons, but rather have some level of theological training. Moreover, to be perfectly honest (and this is not to be arrogant or conceited), the subjects which I normally engage are not on the level of the layperson. It would be like me walking into an engineering forum and objecting that engineering professionals are using language that is beyond the grasp of the layperson. They would rightly object that I need to 1.) get some training in engineering or 2.) find supplemental sources which will allow me to understand and participate within the discussions (and obviously the meaner ones will offer an option 3, to shut my mouth and leave).
Third, a redefinition of the concept of authority. They do not hold the Bible to be revelation, and a recurring theme in their writings and correspondence is that the only true revelation of God in the Person and Work of Christ.
This is not a technically accurate assesment of my understanding of "revelation." As I have pointed out on several occasions, I believe that Christ is the only true SELF-revelation of God. As I have mentioned before, I see a distinction between that which is revelatory and that which is self-revelatory. In my understanding, that which is self-revelatory provides the content and meaning for all other forms of "revelation." In this sense, I believe the Scriptures are revelatory because they testify to Christ, the Eternal Logos of God, the self-revealer of the eternal Godhead. I do not believe, however, that they themselves are this self-revelation. As I believe I have explained before (but perhaps not, please correct me if I am mistaken), for one to assert that the Scriptures are the self-revelation of God would be tantamount to equating them with Christ, the eternal Logos of God, who is consubstantial in nature with God. If this were so, we would have to say that the Scriptures are not only divine, but that they--by virtue of being consubstantial in nature with God--are themselves equal with the Godhead. Obviously, such is not an attractive conclusion, for it would make us all guilty of idolatry, or force us to reenvision God as a Quadrinity, rather than as a Trinity. Of course, I also do not think that most, if any, of advocates of Sola Scriptura actually countenance this idea. However, I am convinced that the logic of Sola Scriptura leads dangerously close to the same.
This must be said: From reading his blog, corresponding with him in email, and even his name, "exist~dissolve", it is apparent that he is primarily an existentialist with influences of the likes of Soren Kierkegaard and perhaps Emil Brunner (whose writings posses similar views concerning human language).
I definitely would advocate the reality of human freedom and responsibility. I think these things are inherent to being created in the image of God. God has created humanity to be in relationship with God. As relationship is ultimately a dynamic and creative reality and existence, I do not know how one can maintain a robust conception of creation and the imago dei without affirming these values.
Regarding existentialism, however, I would not follow the strain of thought that denies the meaningfulness of existence. Rather, I believe that meaning is intimately connected to human freedom and responsiblity whose very being is grounded in the creative, self-giving life of God.
Brent-
sorry I wasn't able to give you 'positive' statements as exist did- work got really busy and I am just now sitting down today to be able to post more.
They object to the Reformed presupposition of Sola Scriptura. First, they dismiss the notion of inerrancy and find it completely unnecessary. Second, they redefine inspiration to something drastically different than the Reformed understanding of the Spirit's Inspiration of Scripture. Third, a redefinition of the concept of authority. They do not hold the Bible to be revelation, and a recurring theme in their writings and correspondence is that the only true revelation of God in the Person and Work of Christ.
Concerning inspiration- yes, my view is dramatically different than that of the Reformed position. I do believe the scriptures are inspired, but definitely not in the way most Reformed do.
It is clear even from the scriptures themselves that they were not intended by their authors to be the final encapsulation of the self-revelation of God. The inescapable historical realities of canon formation certainly seem to leave this beyond doubt. Rather, the scriptures- especially the NT- assume an already present understanding by the reader of certain basic beliefs to which the scriptures attest and which they confirm. The Gospel of Luke (along with Acts) certainly assumes this of its intended audience. Paul makes use of early creedal formulations to substantiate the things he is saying.
Within the early church, which for much of its major theological development did not have a complete canon, (and even before the NT was finished being written) Christ was definitely the lens through which the scriptures were mediated, interpreted, and understood. Within the writings of the church fathers there is, much to the chagrin of more modernistic historico-grammatical hermeutical methodologies, a trajectory of seeing Christ in everything, and everything as a foreshadowing of Christ. Christ was the pivot point of all of history, and was the revelation of God to which the OT pointed and to whom the NT attested. Thus, the scriptures confirm and attest to the self-revelation of God in Christ.
If that which is other than God has the capacity to define and truly describe God's eternal nature, then that which is other than God is, in fact, God. Therefore, since the Reformed folk define God's nature using human propositional language, which is something other than God, then that human language and thought is itself consubstantial with God—thus exist accuses Reformed theology of a pantheism (the belief that God is all) of sorts.
Laying aside for a moment the propositional trajectory, I believe that Reformed theology is pantheistic in other ways. The fact that God's will/decree is eternally and exhaustively absolutized into the only actuating principle in the universe leaves one wondering how one can possibly distinguish between God and that which i other than God.
I certainly believe that God is 'other' and that God can will something to come about without 'being' that which comes about, but such a belief must lay aside deterministic causality to do so, or we are back to understanding God essentially as whatever comes to pass.
Brent-
sorry I wasn't able to give you 'positive' statements as exist did- work got really busy and I am just now sitting down today to be able to post more.
They object to the Reformed presupposition of Sola Scriptura. First, they dismiss the notion of inerrancy and find it completely unnecessary. Second, they redefine inspiration to something drastically different than the Reformed understanding of the Spirit's Inspiration of Scripture. Third, a redefinition of the concept of authority. They do not hold the Bible to be revelation, and a recurring theme in their writings and correspondence is that the only true revelation of God in the Person and Work of Christ.
Concerning inspiration- yes, my view is dramatically different than that of the Reformed position. I do believe the scriptures are inspired, but definitely not in the way most Reformed do.
It is clear even from the scriptures themselves that they were not intended by their authors to be the final encapsulation of the self-revelation of God. The inescapable historical realities of canon formation certainly seem to leave this beyond doubt. Rather, the scriptures- especially the NT- assume an already present understanding by the reader of certain basic beliefs to which the scriptures attest and which they confirm. The Gospel of Luke (along with Acts) certainly assumes this of its intended audience. Paul makes use of early creedal formulations to substantiate the things he is saying.
Within the early church, which for much of its major theological development did not have a complete canon, (and even before the NT was finished being written) Christ was definitely the lens through which the scriptures were mediated, interpreted, and understood. Within the writings of the church fathers there is, much to the chagrin of more modernistic historico-grammatical hermeneutical methodologies, a trajectory of seeing Christ in everything, and everything as a foreshadowing of Christ. Christ was the pivot point of all of history, and was the revelation of God to which the OT pointed and to whom the NT attested. Thus, the scriptures confirm and attest to the self-revelation of God in Christ.
In fact, exist denies that "Sola Scriptura" is a Reformed presupposition, much less the base presupposition of Calvinism. He thinks that our "cosmology" is our foremost presupposition.
While I believe reformed cosmology is indeed the underlying theological presupposition, the ability of the individual to be the ultimate arbiter of truth would be the underlying epistemoloigcal presupposition.
If that which is other than God has the capacity to define and truly describe God's eternal nature, then that which is other than God is, in fact, God. Therefore, since the Reformed folk define God's nature using human propositional language, which is something other than God, then that human language and thought is itself consubstantial with God—thus exist accuses Reformed theology of a pantheism (the belief that God is all) of sorts.
Laying aside for a moment the propositional trajectory, I believe that Reformed theology is pantheistic in other ways. The fact that God's will/decree is eternally and exhaustively absolutized into the only actuating principle in the universe leaves one wondering how one can possibly distinguish between God and that which is other than God.
I certainly believe that God is 'other' and that God can will something to come about without 'being' that which comes about, but such a belief must lay aside deterministic causality to do so, or we are back to understanding God essentially as whatever comes to pass.
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